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About the differences among the names of magic-user...

About the differences among the names of magic-user...

            I'm confused by the names thing.Could anyone tell me the exact differences among "magician""mage""wizard"?
I can't type Chinese on this eMac, so I have to use pingyin to express the Chinese word "Wu Shi". What is the English word translated to "Wu Shi"?And what's the difference compared with "mage" ?
           
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最初由 Sohryu 发布
I'm confused by the names thing.Could anyone tell me the exact differences among "magician""mage""wizard"?
I can't type Chinese on this eMac, so I have to use pingyin to express the Chinese word "Wu Shi". What is the English word translated to "Wu Shi"?And what's the difference compared with "mage" ?



你应该可以看到中文吧……

就我所知,你说问的几个词大多是不同的称谓,所指相同。例如中文里的,法师、巫师、术士、魔法师等等。

但如果牵涉到具体的设定,那就是有所特指了。
例如在新的DND第三版的简体中文版中,把Sorcerer译作术士,把Wizard译作法师。两者区别在于,Sorcerer的法术能力是一种天分加努力磨练的结果。而Wizard的施法能力来源于严格的训练和长时间的学习,是后天努力的结果。

恩……,大家再补充吧。
            Not clear yet...
Thank you anyway for responding.
              "Wu Shi(巫师)"的英文,一般是用WIZARD;也有一个意象是偏重死灵系的NECROMANCER,但目前在奇幻读者圈子里,这个意象已经不多见了;


  “mage”对应的中文,一般是译为“法师”;通常来说“mage”和“Wizard”是通用的;而相应“Wizard”在翻译为中文的时候,多译为“魔法师”“巫师”;若要对比二者细微意象的话,Mage的魔法修为好象比wizard要浅一些;Wizard是比较正式的操魔法者的称呼,多用在比较高明的大法师身上,而Mage则有点像口头语,而且多指初级的低阶法师或者法师学徒;


  “magician”则给人一种“变戏法者”的感觉;中文可能译为“魔术师”;

  
  而上面sinbadblue大人提到的Wizard和Sorcerer,是指ADND游戏中对于玩家职业的名称,和日常我们对这两个词的印象有一些差距,就ADND游戏规则而言,


  Wizard是一种必须通过背诵咒语来释放法术的魔法使用者,一般的普通人只要能背书,就可以做WIZARD;


  而Sorcerer则是一种天生就具有魔法能力的特种人类,她通常是人类和某种魔法生物(比如巨龙)婚配的后代,因而血脉中含有施法天赋,可以不用背诵咒语就施法;


  如果说Mage,一般就只指wizard,不指Sorcerer。好象乱了点,大概意思还CLEAR吧?

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            Thanks a lot, I really appreciate that.
The biggest problem I'm struglling to is to tell the difference between common magic-user such as mage and the "sorcerer", though I didn't mention above.
Is there any sorcerer in Krynn or Forgotten Realms? I've only seen the word sorcerer or sorceress in games such as Diablo.

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            wizard, mage, magician, those terms are really the same, in English writing, the author usually use different terms in the context to avoid repeating the words, and also, in some cases, different terms are used in different situation, for example, in a formal meeting, or in a guild concil hall, mage, magician are usually used, though wizard is used rather informally.
A person engaged in the above profession usually use 'spells' to achieve their goal, things like 'fire ball', 'Color Spary' etc, those who study the art of magicka DO NOT have to be a natrual born person with magic ablilities, they learn those skills rather than have them embedded in their own body.
In contrast, sorcerer or sorceress are born with magic ability, they do not have to learn or memorise spells to use them, rather than that, they can alter their surronding or object by mean concentration. I have a thread explaining those terms in more details, I will pump them, hope you can find them useful. Good luck.

P.S I dont think there are any sorcerer or sorceress in Krynn or Faerun, though I can be mistaken.

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最初由 Sohryu 发布
Is there any sorcerer in Krynn or Forgotten Realms? I've only seen the word sorcerer or sorceress in games such as Diablo.


  Forgotten Realms绝对是有SORCERER的了,无论是游戏领域还是文学领域,当年Elminster年轻的时候就是跟着一名Sor姐姐到处跑,(参考《the making of a magi》)然后渐生情索Show love to each other以后,那个Sor向他揭示自己的身份:蜜斯拉姐姐.......FT......


  而Krynn究竟有没有Sorcerer,现在还不好定论,因为官方的3E设定还没有出,不过九成是会有,因为根据半官方(目前相当于官方站)站认可的说法,是认为在第五纪元以后,正式的法师由于诸神的离开而被削弱(神不再把魔力借给凡人使用),于是产生了一种先天就具有法力的Prime Sorcerer(不需要依赖诸神的施法者),部分资料如下:


Primal Sorcerer

Primal sorcerers can be just about anyone. No long hard training is required, no hours toiling over books for spells. A group of spell-casters who have come to harness the inherent magic in every rock and item on Krynn, these spellcasters are often looked upon highly by the everyday ordinary folk who see their powers as something that they hope to be able to one day manipulate themselves.

Adventures: Sorcerers have any number of reasons for going out in the world. From becoming Knights of the Thorn, to fighting against the oppressive Dragon Overlords, the number of reasons for one going out into the world with Krynn's primordial magic as an aresenal are as many as those who use the magic.

Characteristics: Primal sorcerers aren't as haughty about the use of their magic as wizards in the past were. Unlike the careful dedication and prestige that accompanied the results of studying of arcane magic, one having the use of sorcery isn't always a mark of any intense discipline to learning this new magic or any other special attributes besides the randomness of fate smiling upon the individual. Indeed, most primal sorcerers are humble and down-to-earth people, having come from such humble roots themselves.

Alignment: Members of the primal sorcerer class may be of any alignment. Some people use their gifts in sorcery for good, and others to wreak havoc in the name of personal gain.

Religion: Most sorcerers in the 5th Age, being young and having never known the presence of the gods feel no loyalty to the deities that once influenced Krynn. However, it is not rare to find one whose parents continued to revere their patron deity even after the departure of the gods during the Chaos War, and who passed this loyalty on to their children even in the godless world that Krynn has become. Some sorcerers even are of the school of thought that the gods never left, and believe that continued worship of one of the three gods of magic will reap benefits for the primal sorcerer when the gods decide to make their presence known.

Background: The reasons for primal sorcerer's going out into the world are infinite. As nearly every one of the distinct peoples of Ansalon can tap the primordial magic and shape it to their will. Many sorcerers often find themselves using such powers without any formal schooling. However, there are many private schools and colleges that teach the proper use of sorcery, not the least of which being the Academy of Sorcery, started by the former wizard of High Sorcery Palin Majere.

Races: Any races may become a member of the primal sorcerer class, though some such as most types of dwarves disdain primordial magic as much as they did arcane magic, and won't likely take the class.


PS,DIABLO的SOR和正规ADND里的SOR是天壤之别,不能放在一起讲;

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                   Hrmm..........Im not quite into the offical setting, though it is good to hear about it, anyway, all those terms are used to describe certain entities in the book, depending on your resources, it can vary differently.

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            Mage似乎是Wizard和Sorcerer的统称。

在正规巫师社团里Sorcerer是带点邪恶色彩的,好象是的。

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            传统概念中 Wizard 是指暗系法师--即使用攻击系列的法术. smile.gif

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