MALAZAN has made it to the 7th installment---"reaper's gale", it's getting better, and it is sure the best fantacy novel out there, with "DARK TOWER"  slightly behind...

I  do not understand why everybody make a fuss about "ASOIAF", yeah, there are lot of plot twists and good character development, but hell, where is the magic?(BTW, i only finished book two, and left book three and four on my shelf... and took up Tad William's otherland series) there is no exciting scenes, maybe you are gonna worried about what happened to Davos,Jon,Catelyn..., but at the end, it's always politics and intrigues solving the conflicts, come on, i am reading a fantacy book, i am entitled to expect a magic fight here and there, a sense of wonder somewhere... If i wanna read some good history novel with fantastic characterization, belivable plot and good prose, i would reread "pillar of the earth"(ken Follet)


however, if we are comparing "ASOIAF" only in its genre, then it's good, may be it's in the top 20, but it is definitely not the No. 1.

apart from "Malazan" and "dark tower", Raymond E Feist's "Magician" arrives without a doubt at Top 3.

Following is Cook Glen's "the black company", then it's "oath of the empire"...

BTW, i also have comments for the blockbusters out there:

" Wheel of times"---plot moving too slow and too long, the idea is kinda out dated

"Lord of the Rings"---well, black VS white, good VS evil, complex world, but still, even the idea of Hobbits(DWARF) make me think of fairy tale

"Assissan"--- yeah, not bad, above average, but outstanding? i doubt it...

"Sword of the truth"---at least the first 3 books are great stuff, but i heard from book 7 this series turned into a disaster

"rince of Nothing"----those people's name killed this book, i can not pronounce even one of them, so quickly, i closed the book at page 50, i do not  know if it was a good story or not... but i hope Scott will change this disgusting habbit to give his characters wierd names...

"Chronicles of Thomas Covenant"---good stuff,  on par with "ASOIAF",  even better

"Otherland"---cyberpunk with a bit of fantacy, READ it, i love a book which mixes Science fiction and fantacy so well.

"Dresten file"---easy beach read, great idea and funny prose

"D&D" books and "Forgetten realm" books----they are for starters, maybe "deathgate cycle" is different

well, actually i read more science fiction tahn fantacy, so...my list ends here

英语很麻烦
请用中文
不过,我认为D&D只是一般

简译：

引用:

麻辣子英灵录是最好的奇幻，你们都喜欢冰火？那么冰火里魔法到哪里去了？看奇幻没魔法大战怎么行？要看有奇幻特色，情节优秀和文笔不错的历史小说嘛，pillar of the earth都比冰火好，以下是我对各个小说的简评：
时光之轮：太慢太长过时啦
魔戒：正邪大战，复杂的世界设定，我怎么觉得像是童话捏？
刺客：不错啦，出色？怀疑ing。。。
真理之剑：前3本不错啦，到第7本就……
乌有王子：人名太渣，读了50页扔了
托马斯康维恩特编年史：不错，比冰火好
Otherland：塞巴朋克加一点点奇幻元素，偶喜欢混合口味的
巫师神探：轻松愉快的沙滩读物，点子不错，文笔不错
D&D系列：切，菜鸟看的
其实我科幻看的比较多，所以就没了

另：
这帖应该和奇幻战科幻（误）大人的“最好和最坏的奇幻小说”这帖结合起来看

I don't like ASoIaF much, either. However, I understand why ppl like it. You named a few reasons already, and ppl may like the series for these. It lacks magic, it is true, the last two books don't improve much. Magic is not the sole or main or even one of main reason make one like fantasy. They go after fantasy because it has a taste of the mixture of reality and surreality. Indeed, magic is an important element for fantasy fiction, but it not necessary the essential one. If ppl value a book simply based on its magic system or the degree of intensity, they better stick with D&D for it has a syste made for games and nearly throws magic on their faces with any sentence.

I respect your opinion, and agree ASoIaF is not the best its genre as if given. But I don't think it is polite for you to question ASoIaF fans' measurement.

森林之子的魔法不叫魔法?
奇幻并不一定有魔法
就像科幻不一定就按科学的理论
我们看书不是看人名,我们是看人物刻画,对白以及情节
另外,沙丘也不是一大堆8册?

这个评论的水准我持保留态度.

我对此评论保持中立
毕竟人人读书的感觉不一

这人倒真的是以娱乐的眼光来看奇幻的，我觉得这个态度不错。

"rince of Nothing"----those people's name killed this book
未来的畅销书作家们要当心^^

顺便，冰火确实可以归为奇幻的异类。它对于fantasy这词的着眼点算是与众不同罢。

塞巴朋克
是机器人朋克么？
谁熟悉这个风格的介绍一下

赛伯朋克的话……要给它下个定义还不如举个例子来得清晰，以小说举例是菲利普·迪克的《机器人会梦见电子羊吗》，威廉·吉布森的《神经浪游者》，以电影来举例是《矩阵》，要是有兴趣可以百度一下，介绍赛伯朋克的文章很多。

麻辣子英灵录?啥玩艺？
我想起了ＦＡＴＥ．．．

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引用第10楼deel于2007-08-21 20:05发表的“”:
麻辣子英灵录?啥玩艺？
我想起了ＦＡＴＥ．．．

Malazan Book of the Fallen

这个坛子上的玛拉赞的迷虽是不多，但都身居高位，而且其中反动漫的似乎也有，说话不小心点，您就玩完了。

我有很多马甲-_-

原来是玛拉赞...听说过一点点...没见过正体

“这人倒真的是以娱乐的眼光来看奇幻的，我觉得这个态度不错。”

man, you can say that again, Fantacy is just for fun, whenever i open a fantacy book, i expect the book to make me laugh and cry (only some moments in "The dark tower" did make me wanna cry), i expect the writer to outsmart me and keep giving me suprises, and i do expect the book can give me some creeps,  some clever dialogue, some sense of wonder...

"ASOIAF" is not bad, but if we are to compare it with some other historical novels, like "The Pillar of the earth"( i strongly recommand any one who can read the English novels to read this book before they are to name ASOIAF as the diamond of the crown), or "Boudlino", or "Shogun", "Gaijin", you will find it was just an above-average book, not so divine...

anyway, brothers, there are more fun out there other than "Assissan","LOR","ASOIAF", "D&D", "Earth sea" "WOT", just take your time and patience

不同的人打开一本书的时候 总是会有不同的期待的 只能说标准不同吧

玛拉赞挺不错的
英文啃完了前两部，第三步啃了一半，肯不动了

有地址吗
我很想看一看