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nobleelf 发表于 2002-11-9 19:46

有关安格尔巫王(好像就是黑魁首把)的问题

&nbsp;  &nbsp;  &nbsp;  &nbsp;  &nbsp;  &nbsp;   安格尔巫王,就是那个灭了阿诺的可怕的国王,是不是黑魁首??是不是魔戒幽灵之首???<br>  他是什么时候泯灭人性的??是什么时候被索隆控制的??<br><br>拜托了,各位大人,告诉我答案吧!!<br>多谢,多谢!!!!~~~

smashing 发表于 2002-11-9 20:42

&nbsp;  &nbsp;  &nbsp;  &nbsp;  &nbsp;  &nbsp;   曾经翻文的时候(当然不要问我是什么文),就查过下面有关安格玛的资料,或许对你有用:<br><br>ANGMAR<br><br>The land of Angmar is one of the grimmest places in all of Middle-earth. It is not black and twisted like Mordor, but heartbreakingly cold and barren. It lies in a northern fork in the Western Misty Mountains, and in the Eastern Misty Mountains. Little activity is centered upon the barren plain between the fork in the mountains; the border guard of men is set in the rolling hills upon the edge of the low plateau. These men watch the long border road that runs from Carn D?m to the southern tip of Angmar. The orcs prefer the safety of the tunnels in the mountains. In the East the Witch King has no border guard; the mountains bar entry into Angmar from that direction, except to those who know the orcish tunnels.<br><br>The Witch-king of Angmar is the most powerful of the Nazg?l. He was the the one who stabbed Frodo (LotR) with a Morgul-knife which almost killed the hobbit. After that failure he and the other ringwraiths were forced to return to Mordor. There the witch-king took control of Sauron′s army and launched an attack against Gondor. At Pelennor he slew the Lord of Rohan Théoden with his mace. For that he was challenged by Théoden′s niece Eowyn which he mistook for a man. He proclaimed that no man was fated to kill him and prepared to attack when Eowyn told him that she was a woman. Eowyn and the hobbit Meriadoc managed to destroy both him and his winged beast. Called dwimmerlaik by Eowyn, which means work of necromancy, spectre.<br><br><br>It's only a real small point but an important one. He seems to have <br>neglected to consider Glorfindel, who was the defender of Rivendell <br>and the one who led the elven forces against Angmar in 1975 when <br>Fornost Erain finally fell. Glorfindel was certainly the foremost <br>elven military commander left in Middle Earth after the death of <br>Gil-Galad. It is generally accepted that the Glorfindel of Rive<br><br><br>The Witch-King fleed with all he could gather North but the cavalry of Gondor with Earnur and a force from Rivendell under the Elf-lord Glorfindel overtook him and none, not a man or Orc escaped save the Witch-King who suddenly appeared and rode against Earnur to kill him but the horse of Earnur could not endure the hate and the cry of the Witch-King and it bore Earnur away before he could master it, Glorfindel on his white horse rode against the Witch-King but in the midst of his laughter the Witch-King turned to flight and passed into the shadow of the coming night and no-one saw where he went.....<br><br>ANGMAR(资料译文BY听雨小酌)<br><br> &nbsp; Angmar是全中州最严酷可怖的地方之一。那里并不象Mordor一样黑暗而扭曲,却是令人心悸的寒冷的不毛之地。它位于东西迷雾山脉(Misty Mountains)的交界处北部。在山脉岔口处这片贫瘠的平原上鲜有动静,人类的边防军都驻扎在较低的高地边缘那些起伏的群山里,守望着从Carn D&ucirc;m到Angmar南端之间漫长的边境道路。Orc们则更喜欢走山岭中那些安全的地道,在东边巫王并未设下守卫,山脉阻挡了从这个方向进入Angmar的道路,但那些知晓Orcs的地道的人则不受此限。<br> &nbsp; Angmar的巫王是Nazgul(魔戒幽灵,受魔戒腐化而堕落的九个人类国王)中最强大的一个,就是他用Morgul之刃刺伤了Frodo,几乎要了这Hobbit人的命。那次失败之后,他和其他的魔戒幽灵不得不撤回Mordor,而巫王率领Sauron的军队从那里向Gondor发动了攻击。在Pelennor他用钉头锤杀害了Rohan国王Théoden,因此受到了Théoden的甥女,他误认为是男人的 Eowyn的挑战。他宣称上天注定没有哪个男人能置他于死地并准备攻击,而Eowyn告诉他她是个女子。Eowyn和Hobbit人Meriadoc联手杀死了他和他的飞翼魔兽。Eown称他为dwimmerlaik,意为招魂术的产物、鬼灵。<br> &nbsp; 这是看来不起眼但十分重要的一点,因为他似乎并没把Glorfindel放在眼里,Glorfinde不仅是 Rivendell的保卫者,也是1975年Fornost Erain(巫王的据点)终于被攻陷时精灵族对抗Angmar的领军人物。毫无疑问Glorfindel是Gil-Galad死后留在中州的首屈一指的精灵族军事指挥官,通常被尊称为“击碎者” Glorfindel。<br> &nbsp; ……巫王集合他所有的残部向北逃遁,但是Earnur率领的Gondor骑兵和精灵王Glorfindel统领的Rivendell军队撵上了他,没有一个人、一个Orc逃脱,除了巫王。他突然现身,策马直逼Earnur,妄图杀死他,但Earnur的坐骑无法忍受巫王发出的憎恨气息和尖啸,在Earnur重新控制住它之前逃开了。Glorfindel驱动白马冲向巫王,但是狂笑声中巫王转身便逃,冲进了暮色的暗影之中。黑夜将临,无人知晓他去向何方……

I.S.Enigma 发表于 2003-2-5 18:59

&nbsp;  &nbsp;  &nbsp;  &nbsp;  &nbsp;  &nbsp;   Nay. <br> &nbsp;  在译林译本里“黑魁首”(Dark Lord)通常是说索隆,并不是指巫君,而“黑首领”(Black Prince)才是指他。之所以会混淆是因为中文译本第三部里这两个名字翻译得乱作一团,好像译者自己也没搞清楚。最好还是去看原著。<br> &nbsp;  魔戒幽灵特别是巫君是我最喜欢的角色之一。谢谢楼上的信息:),这里还有一些:<br> &nbsp;  巫君(Witch-king)的名字是Er-Murazor(Black Prince),他是一位努美诺尔王子,国王塔-西里亚丹的次子,即塔-阿塔那米尔的弟弟。他生于第二纪1820年,当时取名为Tindomul(昆雅语意为“Twilight Son”),因为他在一次日食中出生,而且他的头发黑得胜过任何人。像他哥哥一样,他为人极其高傲。1883年他来到巴拉都向索隆学习巫术,成为了一位极强大的巫师,并在1998年(都是指第二纪)接受了一枚Ring of Power。那以后他就成了Lord of Nazgul,或者说魔戒幽灵的首领,Witch-king,or Murazor,or Lord of Morgul,etc.<br> &nbsp;  大体上就这些,其它的大家都知道了。资料来源:<a href='http://www.rockjakten.com:' target='_blank'>www.rockjakten.com:</a>)

Elsie 发表于 2003-2-6 07:40

&nbsp;  &nbsp;  &nbsp;  &nbsp;  &nbsp;  &nbsp;   :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: <br><br><!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><i>最初由I.S.Enigma发布</i><br><br><br><b>巫君(Witch-king)的名字是Er-Murazor(Black Prince),他是一位努美诺尔王子,国王塔-西里亚丹的次子,即塔-阿塔那米尔的弟弟。</b><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <br><br>晕~~~~~~~~我算了一下,塔-阿塔那米尔是Elros的第12代,也就是说…………………………………………………………Witch-king与E爸爸有血缘关系????????????????????????再往前往后算,他还和阿拉贡、E爸爸的祖先有血缘关系?不敢想了

I.S.Enigma 发表于 2003-2-6 18:23

&nbsp;  &nbsp;  &nbsp;  &nbsp;  &nbsp;  &nbsp;   唉……(长叹)没错啊。好可惜,不是吗?努美诺尔人太骄傲,因此很多都被黑暗诱惑了。<br>其实,说起来,Witch-king的血统比阿拉贡还纯正呢……:(

Elsie 发表于 2003-2-6 18:30

&nbsp;  &nbsp;  &nbsp;  &nbsp;  &nbsp;  &nbsp;   <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://localhost/ipb/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://localhost/ipb/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://localhost/ipb/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://localhost/ipb/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://localhost/ipb/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> <br>痛惜啊!想到法拉米尔说的话,心里难受得不行<br>the men of numenor were settled far and wide………………but for the most part they fell into evils and follies.many became enamoured of the darkness and the black arts…………………………………………………………

I.S.Enigma 发表于 2003-2-6 18:34

&nbsp;  &nbsp;  &nbsp;  &nbsp;  &nbsp;  &nbsp;   我才不喜欢法拉米尔呢,沾上一点点西方血统就在山姆面前炫呀炫的……不好,好像得罪人了……

Elsie 发表于 2003-2-6 18:55

&nbsp;  &nbsp;  &nbsp;  &nbsp;  &nbsp;  &nbsp;   <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->沾上一点点西方血统就在山姆面前炫呀炫的<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <br><br>我倒没有觉得他很骄傲,至于他有西方血统,那是事实嘛!而且他对山姆和Frodo讲的冈多努美诺尔人的衰落也是事实啊!(越来越觉得像鲁迅先生的文章里的几句话了.……)

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