第五卷序章即将放出啊~~~~太有魔力的一章了
过会写~~大家知道这章的视点人物是谁吗~~哈哈,猜中有奖
虽然我在群里都说了~~
是接续第三卷的情节
写的有魔力的某位大人~~~ 有魔力的,某位,大人?
琼恩雪诺?
史坦尼斯?
山姆?
布兰?
戴佛斯? 冷手?
文章不够长么.............. 课本叔叔...... 我亲爱的洋葱，小恶魔 丹尼 琼恩 布兰 阿多？ [quote][b]引用第3楼[i]天圣怒火[/i]于[i]2007-07-09 00:21[/i]发表的“”[/b]:
课本叔叔......[/quote]
不会吧,不希望是可爱的科本叔叔,序章pov一般会死的TT 以上诸位都不在那群里么... 难道真是科本TT(我一般两周上一次群),可爱的科本叔叔啊,不要死啊TT 接续第三卷，又有魔力
红袍僧 贝里……索罗斯？ 唉，ccxx又在邪恶地诱惑了
群里透的时候我应该不在，是谁呢
应该是布兰和冷手的吧~~~ 恩~是野人中的六形人瓦拉米尔
记得吗?
这章是直接接续第三章的长城解围之战的 本来很期望很期望很期望是琼恩那小子的。。。。憾。。。 缩写之一:
It opens with a wolf sniffing. He hunts with his small sly sister and his one eyed brother. They hear a "pup" and begin to chase. They track another pack, the "pup", a male and a female. The male has a "long tooth" and the female a "smaller bone tooth". The wolves attack and kill, going especially for the pup which is the "sweetmeat". The wolves kill the man woman, and baby.
We then come back to Varamyr who remembers that a man named Haggen (sp?) told him that men who ate men were "abominations". Haggen was the man who taught him to be a skinchanger. Varamyr is dying in a hut. He lies there and remembers the burning and the heat. The eagle burning. He remembers all the memories of his wargs, he remembers the wolves and birthing a litter.
He is sick and his head is swimming. A boy knifed him for taking his dead mother's squirrel cloak. A wildlilng woman named Thistle stitched him up. Varamyr remembered that Hornfoot men knifed the boy's mother, Varamyr stole the cloak afterwards, and the boy knifed HIM. When Thistle helped him, she asked him his name. Varamyr said it was Lump. Because of what had happened at the Wall, Varamyr is afraid to use his real name now. He curses Mance's name.
Varamyr remembers his mother. She was a Wood Witch and he was Varamyr Six Skin. He rode a bear and lived in his own Hall. A dozen villages paid him homage. When he wanted a woman, he sent his shadowcat to fetch her. Once in a while some "hero" would come and try to slay him but Varamyr would slay him.
When Varamyr was young, Haggen would trade with Eastwatch, so he was fascinated with what lay behind the Wall. That is how Mance was able to tempt him with the greenlands. He reflects on his current situation. He is left waiting for Thistle to return. He could barely walk anymore so she left him and said she would return. She was a spearwife, ugly, one of thousands fleeing the battle.
No one knew where to go after the battle. Some talked of finding Gendel's Children. The Weeper talked talked of making for the Shadow Tower. Some even talked of striking out for Thenn, which made no sense since the Thenns had come down to Mance!
A wood's witch, though, had spoke of SHIPS.
There had been 9 of them once but they had slipped away one by one when he could no longer go one. He thinks of his father who had given him to Haggen the Skinchanger. He had tried to run away from Haggen but he had been beaten. Haggen taught him, tho. He taught him how to skinchange. Dogs were the easiest to warg. Wolves were harder, because you can't really tame a wolf, it's too much like a woman and marriage. Cats are even harder because they are vain and cruel. Elks were bad. Bears worse, Haggen didn't hold with them. Birds however were the worst. A man should never fly because he might forget who he was.
Haggen had taKen him north to meet other skinchangers. He had met the Wolf Brothers and Boros, who had tusks. It was there that Varamyr had killed Haggen. He had even taken one of Haggen's wolves until it died. Haggen had had only 3 skins but Varamyr had 6
Now only the wolves remained. The shadowcat had run off when the eagle died. The bear had killed everyone in sight before running off. But the wolves had stayed with him. Varamyr knows that he is dying and thinks that the wolves will feast on him when he is dead and he beliEves that is fair.
In another flashback, Varamyr remembers a boy named "lump" talking of taking another man's skin rather than dying, Haggen had beaten him bloody saying that "All men must die! Even skinchangers!"
He finally struggles outside and calls for Thistle. He can hear the wolves. He struggles through the snow and reaches a weirwood. He slips and falls and lies bleeding on the ground. The weirwood stares down at him and he begins to think of his past sins. He thinks to himself that the "animals did it", not he. He thinks again of Lump and then of Bump, lumps baby brother. Lump was small and weak but Bump was going to be a big string boy. As the memory unfolds, Lump uses skinchanging to murder Bump using 3 small dogs and is caught by their father. Lump was given to Haggen afterwards.
He finally is able to drag himself back to the hut and readies himself to die. He prepares to go into the wolves "skin" and then die so he can lose himself there. He briefly remembers Jon Snow and remembers his hate for Jon. He wishes Mance had let him kill Jon and let him take Ghost because the direwolf would have been a royal skin.
As he is about to skinchange, the room grows colder, his hand freezes to the ground. Thistle returns. She is covered with frost and her eyes glow blue. Varamyr's tears, eyes, and lips all freeze but he is able to slip his skin. He feels animals everywhere. Birds and beasts everywhere. In particular...an elk with two children on it and a direwolf wakes and lifts it's head.
Varamyr slips into One Eye, dies and loses himself. [color=red]The wolf sees men. Many men. Too many men to count. But something is wrong. They are not living. They have blue glowing eyes. And the eyes look at the wolves.[/color]
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GRRM indicated that he has struggled with the flashbacks and the realtime POV. He had written it with many ppl passing by.
Oh...and...I asked GRRM IF a certain HOWLAND REED might make an appearance in ADwD. He said "possibly". 缩写之二:
George talked about how hard the chapter has been to write because it has something like 5-6 flashbacks, many embedded into one another. I thought that I would try to organize my post into topics to make it more understandable, but since Trebs and Narish and Alex have already given reports, I'll post everything in the order that I wrote it (and therefore the order in which it was read). This should give you an idea of how terribly complicated the chapter is with its flashes to the past and back to the present. Disclaimer: I don't feel like going to get the books from downstairs so if I forget certain names or misspell them, then my bad. Oh, and it’s a real long post.
Before I begin (if you don't feel like reading below), I thought the chapter was interesting for the following reasons:
1) it describes the training of young skin-changers - they are taught by someone older than them and are steeped in the traditions of warging (a 'gift' of the old gods). It is assumed that they will experience death multiple times in the forms of their various animals, but eventually they will experience the 'True Death,' i.e. their body will die. Following this, however, comes the 'Second Life' in which the man has joined with his animal. Eventually the man part will fade and be forgotten, only the animal will remain. Although this was cool, I found it dismayingly similar to The Wit and the traditions of Witted Ones in Robin Hobb's Farseer Trilogy. Forgive me, George, for even thinking it, but it’s pretty much the same thing.
2) We actually do learn a bit more about the religion of the old gods amongst the Wildlings - they speak about it in a somewhat different way than the Starks do, e.g. about blending with all the trees and plants and earth when they die. More on this below.
3) The Others/Wights are practically the size of an army now. eep!
4) This prologue is indeed similar to ones in the past (e.g. Chp 1, Bk 1), but also similar in other ways to Stark chapters, such as Jon 1 from ADWD when Ghost is out hunting and then Jon wakes up. That is, it starts off in the mind of the wolf, then transitions to the human. It reveals a sharp contrast between the Stark kids and Varamyr. It also shows us why Bran is such a total Stark badass. I'll add some of my own comments below based on our discussions amongst ourselves and with George; they will be marked by an *asterisk*
Here it goes.
We start from the POV of a wolf, out hunting at night with his sister and One-Eye, his brother. He smells men (whom he hates), stags, smoke, blood, piss. They are following two men and a woman with a baby. He remembers hunting men many times in the past, the taste of their flesh. Some carry pointy sticks and are dangerous. They kill the two men, then the woman, and the babe, who tastes the sweetest.
We then move to the POV of a man, a league away, lying on the hard packed floor of a hut in an abandoned Wilding village. The man’s fire is going out, the hut is filled with smoke, but he is sick and feverish with an oozing wound in his side that burns to his touch. He is too weak to search for food or firewood. This is Varamyr, dying.
He thinks of the wolves eating humans, and that he could get them to bring them the meat, as they have in the past, but he refuses to bring himself to becoming a cannibal. The wolves can eat men, but he cannot (although he knows the taste of human flesh from warging in the wolves). He is starving to death as well as dying from the cold and his wound. He thinks of Hagen (sp?) who often said that “death is no stranger to our kind” but that there is also the Second Life after the True Death.
He thinks on experiencing death in the form of the eagle, as he flew above the wall. He’d driven Orell out of the eagle (*Eagle the Eagle, ha!*) and had been flying above the wall when he was struck by dark sorcery, and the burning was the worst death that he had ever felt. He went mad for a while because of it, and lost control of his various other animals.
Thistle had sewn up his wound but didn’t recognize him as Varamyr Six-Skins, because he wasn’t surrounded by his animals and had not been wearing the cloak that Mance gave him to show that he was one of Mance’s favorites. He’d stripped a cloak off a dead woman, but her young son had stabbed him and taken the cloak back. He’d told Thistle that his name was Lump, his boyhood name.
He had taken the name of Varamyr at ten years old, because he thought it was a name ‘fit for a king’ and he had wanted to be King Beyond the Wall. Before he had joined Mance he had lived in a moss and wood hut away from human kind, but when he felt the need for a woman, he would send his shadowcat to a woman’s bed. She would follow it back to his hut, even if she didn’t want to, was afraid, was crying. Sometimes young men would come to kill him and thus save their sisters, girlfriends, etc. ‘Them he killed.’ But he never mistreated the women. Some he sent back even ‘blessed’ with his seed. But none of his children had gotten his ‘gift,’ which he saw as a great disappointment.
Mance had come and convinced him to leave his hut and to join with him. Varamyr thinks of seeing the Wall as a child, trading there at Castle Black and EastWatch. He thought how the Watch members, even knowing that Hagen was a skin-changer, had been nice to him and considered him a ‘friend of the Watch.’ On his third visit to the wall, he’d seen his sister there, pregnant by a Crow, but she didn’t recognize him. He had dreamed of the green lands south of the Wall, longed to be there, which made him decide to go with Mance.
“Mance was their hope.”
He thinks of Thistle, a spear-wife with a “hard, ugly face.” She had promised to bring him food and help, but she was gone for several days and was probably not coming back, leaving him in the village to die like the other refugees had.
After the battle at the Wall, thousands had been fleeing. Some had followed a leader to search for the “dark path beneath the Wall”. Others went to find the Secret Valley of the Thenns. Others followed a Woods Witch who had a vision of a fleet of ships which would come to take the free-folk to a new land. Those that stayed were victims of ‘relentless enemies’ – many dying from the cold, hunger or ‘killed by desperate men.’ *George said that he was really trying to get across how the Wildlings hungered for the land south of the wall, how daunting the wall seemed to the ‘other side’ and how Mance had been the only one to hold them together, the ‘linchpin’; without him, they had scattered and were helpless.*
Thinking that Thistle abandoned him, he thinks on his mother who had also ‘abandoned’ him to Hagen because he was a skin-changer. Hagen would catch him every time he ran away and would beat him. But his ‘gift’ was stronger than Hagen’s.
He thinks about how easy it is to warg into dogs, because dogs are pack animals and humans live in packs too. Partnering with a wolf was like a marriage; cats are vain and cruel. Hagen would tell him that warging into certain animals would change you too much, such as birds, and to avoid them. He had taken Varamyr to a gathering of skin-changers where V. had seen the various partners people had chosen.
But Hagen had died 30 years before, and Varamyr had driven him out of his animal so that he could have no Second Life. The animal had died not long after. Varamyr could take any animal he chose. *Notice the language – ‘take’ any animal he wanted. George talked about this after, about it being like rape. Vhagar asked how Hoder fit into this schema. George didn’t really say anything, but it makes you realize how talented Bran, a mere boy, is. And the moral question behind warging.*
But Varamyr couldn’t take any animal he wanted anymore, ever since the bird had burnt up. He remembers the terrible pain. When the bird died he lost the bear, who had always hated him, and the shadowcat had run away. But his wolves stayed true. He thinks about how the wolves will eat his body when he dies, and thinks that this is appropriate because they had often fed him in the past.
When he was younger he had told Hagen that he would never die, and would take a passing hunter and thus continue living. Hagen had beaten him, saying that that was an abomination.
He tries to keep his fire going, but can’t. He stumbles out of the hut and eats the snow, but it just makes him more hungry. He collapses in the snow by the weirwood, whose red eyes stare down at him. This makes him think of the bad things he’d done in the past, eating human flesh. But then he thinks, no, that was the wolf, it wasn’t me.
He dreams of his mother’s home and his little brother Bump who had died early. His own name had been Lump, and he hadn’t been expected to live long because he had been born a month early. Thus he was scrawny and weak. Bump, however, had been strong and born right on time; his parents had loved him better.
But Bump had died at age two, when Lump (Varamyr) was aged six. The old Crone had told his mom, when she was crying over the baby’s death, that Bump was with the gods. He was in the trees, in the plants, in the earth, in the animals, that he is a god himself now. This bothers the hell out of Lump/Varamyr because that means his brother was always there, always watching him.
One of the family’s three dogs had killed Bump, so his Dad had killed all three dogs with an ax. Lump screamed out when the dogs died, so his parents had known he was a skin-changer and had given him to Hagen.
He thinks of Jon Snow and wishes he had ‘taken’ his direwolf, since that would be a worthy partner.
He drags himself back to the hut. The fire had gone out. Then Thistle comes in behind him. She is covered in hoarfrost, and her eyes are blue. His eyes and mouth frieze shut and he starts to die. He reaches out (as warg), searching for his wolves. He thinks to take the youngest one. He’d been in all three of them before, he’d even been in the female when she had been mounted which strangely excited him. But he figures the youngest male wolf is the best bet for the Second Life.
As he reaches out, he is no where and everywhere, in the trees, in the plants, in the earthworms, in the owls, the ravens. He sees a great elk with children on his back, a direwolf recognizes him. *We assume he can’t warg past the wall and that the only creatures to recognize his skin-changer spirit would be the Starks*
His True Death comes as a ‘shock of cold.’ He finds himself in the One-eyed wolf, with his brother and sister next to him.
He sees “blue-eyed shadows moving among the snow.” There are too many to count. They smell like dead flesh, they are wrong, they are not men, they are not prey, they have wrong smells, they are cold.
And they sense him. “One by one they raised their heads and turned their blue eyes to the three wolves on the hill.”
- End
之三之四待会贴 [quote][b]引用第11楼[i]ccxx[/i]于[i]2007-07-09 11:20[/i]发表的“”[/b]:
恩~是野人中的六形人瓦拉米尔
记得吗?
这章是直接接续第三章的长城解围之战的[/quote]
不......不是吧！！！ [s:13] ...记得是记得
"有魔力的大人"...此人在我脑中还没到要以大人相称的地步 情理之中，卷四最后“一章”标题是“Meanwhile back on the Wall...” 瓦拉基米尔狗命真好,居然没有被伟大的梅丽珊卓阿姨烧掉=W= 我也奇怪，既然当时他和鹰是一体的，那把火应该可以彻底摧毁他的心智，可是他在倒地后很快就手脚并用地逃了，似乎伤得不是太严重。 应该挂了吧，不是说序章POV都会立毙的么？ [quote][b]引用第19楼[i]wrhunter[/i]于[i]2007-07-10 00:11[/i]发表的“”[/b]:
我也奇怪，既然当时他和鹰是一体的，那把火应该可以彻底摧毁他的心智，可是他在倒地后很快就手脚并用地逃了，似乎伤得不是太严重。[/quote]
都手脚并用了...这心智... 序章的视点人物，自然不会是那些主要pov
第四卷居然就没有提到野人这边的消息吗？怎么第五卷接了第3卷。。。 [quote][b]引用第21楼[i]GA_Frank[/i]于[i]2007-07-10 12:07[/i]发表的“”[/b]:
都手脚并用了...这心智...[/quote]
还知道要逃跑，应该没有丧失心智。 序文简介里看,瓦拉基米尔心智方面还是受了很大伤害的(肉体也是,乱军里边能生还,不错了)濒临死亡(我发现偷懒不看缩写二是不对的..........).但是操控动物的能力还存在,不过我说他狗运好说错了,因为他最后应该是碰见异鬼了 难道说瓦拉基米尔最后异鬼狼合为一体了？那会非常强大..... [quote][b]引用第22楼[i]愚蠢[/i]于[i]2007-07-10 12:55[/i]发表的“”[/b]:
序章的视点人物，自然不会是那些主要pov
第四卷居然就没有提到野人这边的消息吗？怎么第五卷接了第3卷。。。[/quote]
45两卷在时间线上平行的，分别写维斯特洛的事和 长城、海外的事 最后应该尸撞上尸鬼狼 那狼他能控制就牛X了 最后是他自己进入狼体内
结果尸鬼连狼都不放过 [quote][b]引用第28楼[i]ccxx[/i]于[i]2007-07-12 10:46[/i]发表的“”[/b]:
最后是他自己进入狼体内
结果尸鬼连狼都不放过[/quote]
ccxx大华丽的无色剧透。。。 尸鬼应该是对一切生物都有反应吧...
所谓的...全攻全受= =///
无限OTZ BRAN？？？？？？ 我等着缩写3和4…… 我猜是那个死了又生，生了又死的叔叔（名字忘了）.....
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