第5卷 琼恩第一章
From Kedlav:<br /><br />The chapter starts off a bit differently than normal, namely that we get Jon warging in Ghost beneath the wall. Ghost notes that the pack is scattered, that Lady and Grey Wind are dead, that his brother is nearby. He wanders a bit, then 'the moon' starts screeching Snow. 'Course, the moon is none other than the Old Bear's raven(who wants for a name IMO), and then we get a *wonderful* Dolorous Edd bit about roast raven and prunes. Its really, really friggin funny. Jon decides he can't wait for breakfast, that he has to deal with Stannis. He notes that Stannis is in the Old Bear's quarters and that he's in Donal Noye's old rooms(and that Noye's left little behind in this world). <br /><br />On the way over to Stannis, he goes into some thought about the wildling pens, Stannis and the Queen's Men, etc. He also notes he hates having bodyguards, and refuses to let them follow him around. While walking, he is approached and challenged by some rather large chap who's thinking that Jon's not well suited to Longaxe[sic] and that they should fight. Jon gives him a nice brush off, but it highlights the dynamic of how the men in black and the idiots with Stannis are getting along. Jon finally shows up to see Stannis, and they get into it pretty good. Stannis rails about the North and only the Karstarks coming to him, about how some 10-year old Mormont girl recognizes his cause is lost and that he's an ass, etc. He then rails at Jon for not signing a grant giving Stannis all the abandoned castles on the wall to reward his loyal followers. <br /><br />Its revealed here Jon's granted Stannis the Nightfort and that Yarwick thinks it will take 6 months to renovate. In response, Jon tells Stannis to make his men serve under men of the Night's Watch, and Stannis flips again, drawing Lightbringer and threatening to make someone the 999th LC, on the grounds that Thorne and Slynt are quetioning the vote. Jon hits the non-present Slynt with a good jibe about his honor and worth. Jon doesn't buckle, and he leaves. Melisandre tags along, wearing her usual red bit while Jon's freezing his cajones off in woolens. She flirts with him a bit, lets the proverbial axe drop that he's in all her visions in the fires now, that he needs to watch his back, and then the chapter ends with the old favorite of 'You know nothing, Jon Snow,' from Melisandre.<br /><br />------------<br /><br />From Trey_Greyjoy:<br /><br /><br />One of the key things I took away from the reading was the end. Melisandre walked Jon out of the audience chamber after his conversation with Stannis. She told him how she saw him in flames often and more frequently as of late. The last words of the chapter were her's as well: "You know nothing Jon Snow". Which pretty much sent a shiver up my spine.<br />She also said something to the effect that though Rhllor is omniscient his servants are not...something along those lines that could be interpreted as she is open to the idea that Stannis may not be the right man.....<br /><br />Stannis is pretty much set on burning Mance, even with Jon arguing logically against it by stating the wildings would only follow Mance and not the baby. Stannis means for there to be only one King of Westeros and that Mance's life if forfeit. Stannis means to use Mance's child as a tool to control Mance's army as the child, in his mind, is the rightful "heir". Jon explains the folly of this notion to Stannis but he does not listen.<br /><br />Sam has not been sent away, but Jon tells Stannis that he means to send Craster's daughter/wife (Gilly?) away from the wall.<br /><br />Stannis wants the castles along the wall to give to his Lords to repay them for their loyalty, but Jon refuses to relinquish control of them. Stannis tells him if they are not populated by the end of the year he will take them with or without Jon's blessing.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Jon is having one of his wolf dreams. Ghost can sense his siblings out in the wild. Knows that they are down to 4 now - 2 of them are dead. Ghost is out in the cold and snow and keeps hearing the word "snow" being shouted.<br /><br />Eventually, Jon is wakened by Mormont's raven, who is shouting "snow."<br /><br />Dolorous Edd walks into Jon's room and he talks about his dislike for prunes.<br /><br />Jon's thoughts - Wildings from all over are drifting down to the wall, searching for safety. Stannis keeps them captive in "wilding pens". Stannis picks wildings from the stockades for the Red Woman to question.<br /><br />Edd tells Jon that Stannis is waiting to see him, so Jon must get ready and go.<br /><br />Jon is under the common misconception that Bran and Rickon are dead, but knows that their wolves are still alive, due to his wolf dreams. <opinion - could this lead to Jon knowing that Bran and Rickon are alive as well?><br /><br />As Jon is walking across the training yard to see Stannis, he notices that the knights stand in separate groups. Notes are sketchy and my memory is fuzzy here, but I think he saw that the Melissandre's men and Stannis' men did not mingle at all. This may be important.<br /><br />One knight, a Ser Gaudry?, calls Jon "boy" and tells him that his Valaryian steel should be used for more than scratching his arse. He challenges Jon to fight him on the training fields, but Jon only shows him his back and keeps walking.<br /><br />As Jon walks outside, he notices that the repair work on the wall continues. They are fixing the switchback stairway to the top, which is currently unusable. Right now the only way to the top is by using the winch to lift people and supplies up.<br /><br />He meets up with Sam and asks him how his archery practice is coming. Sam complains that it causes blisters so it is not going well. But he mentions that he found a good book on archery….<br /><br />Jon enters the room where Stannis and Melissandre await him. Stannis looks stiff, uncomfortable, with pale, leather-like skin. Stannis is angry about a parchment he received from Liara? Mormont (a 10 year old girl) stating that the Mormonts know and will support no other other than a Stark. Stannis claims that this child "spit on me." He broods that all other Northern lords shun him besides Karhold, who have pledged support for Stannis.<br /><br />Stannis, obviously in need of money to finance his efforts asks Jon how much he has with the Night's Watch. Jon states that have none save only turnips. He then tells Stannis that if he needs money, then try to gain the support of White Harbor - they are loaded.<br /><br />Stannis intends to keep Mance's baby as heir to the wildings and kill Mance. He wants to use the baby to win their support. Jon tries to convince him that the wildings will only follow Mance and they recognize no heirs. Stannis argues that by law, Mance's life is forfeit on many levels - he is a deserter from the Wall, for one. He intends to kill Mance as that is what the law and justice demands. He says he will burn him to make an example of him. <Stannis' stubborn adherence to the "law" really shone in this passage><br /><br />Stannis then tells Jon he wants to garrison the empty castles along the wall with his men. Argues that Jon is only using 3 of them, so Jon should permit him the rest. He also wants to grant lands to his lords and knights and Rattleshirt and Magnar of Thenn.<br /><br />Jon tells Stannis that he intends to send Gilly and her boy away. Stannis questions this, since Mance's son uses Gilly as a milk-mother. Jon says there is no need for them here, that her boy is the product of her father, Craster. Stannis then quips "her father is her boy's father as well? Then send them away, for this is not King's Landing."<br /><br />Jon then denies the Wall's castles to Stannis. He tells him that giving away castles and lands to Southern lords and knights will not win support from any northerners. Stannis is angered, and tells Jon that he made him Lord Commander of the Night's Watch, so he could make another. He then tells Jon he intends to grant Winterfell to Arnolf Karstark, since he has Stark blood and plenty of heirs. It was around this time that Stannis, in his anger, drew Lightbringer, and light rippled up the blade in red, yellow, and orange hues. <this seemed important to me, I'm fuzzy on Lightbringer's characteristics, but could this be an indicator (or one of many indicators) the sword is NOT Lightbringer?><br /><br />Stannis then gives Jon 1 year to man the empty castles, or Stannis will take them with or without Jon's permission.<br /><br />Jon is then walked out by Melissandre. She tells Jon that Stannis is growing fond of him. Jon says "I can tell, he only threatened to behead me twice." Melissandre then tells Jon to fear his silence, not his words.<br /><br />Melissandre then goes on to tell Jon that she sees him in her flames a lot now. Jon gives her a wary look. She then tells him that even though the gods are perfect, their prophets are not, so sometimes signs are misinterpreted. <perhaps this is an indication that her belief in Stannis is failing, and that now she thinks Jon may be the one. Another possibility is perhaps the flames indicate Jon is a Targaryen?> She then talks about other things - how she is searching for Tormund, and that she knows Jon has a lot of enemies. Jon makes a comment that he is very aware he has enemies. She then tells him to keep his wolf close, and to fear the enemies that smile at him. The chapter closes with Melissandre saying "You know nothing, Jon Snow."<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />These are minor additions, since the other guys got most of the details.<br /><br />When Ghost is out sniffing around and thinking of his siblings, as far as I can remember he knows what they are doing. That is, one of them is feasting on some animal. He thinks about Nymeria, and how she is surrounded by her smaller grey cousins, and has been eating well, even sometimes feeding on humans.<br /><br />When Jon is walking across the practise grounds to meet with Stannis and the Southron knight confronts him, he calls out to get his attention, "Boy!" Jon hears, doesn't look around but keeps walking. The guy yells a few other things, but Jon doesn't turn until the guy addresses him by his title, saying "Hey, Lord Commander!"<br /><br />Jon also debates about Stannis' letter, and whether or not he should sign it. He thinks that on the one hand the NW is far too weak to do any good, and they need help. But then he wonders if he wants to be known as the Lord Commander who gave away the wall and sold out the NW.<br /><br />As for Stannis' comments on Mance, I got the impression that Stannis knows that Mance is invaluable, both for his knowledge of the UberNorth and because of his excellant leadership skills. Unfortunately, because of his morals, he has to have Mance executed. He sounds almost resigned to this fact, not especially happy about it. Later, when Jon mentions that Davos is lowborn and a thief at that, Stannis excuses it by mumbling about how he cut off Davos' fingers as punishment.<br /><br />When Stannis talks about giving Winterfell to the Karstarks and how all of the Northern lords are ignoring his letters (he sent out a crapload of birds, but only two lords have replied, neither of them positively), Jon thinks about how it would be if there were truly a lord of Winnterfell, i.e. Jon Snow. If he had accepted the lordship of Winterfell, would all the Northern lords flock to him? (Yet again he is having that 'what if' issue).<br /><br />The issue of who the Mormont girl is does confuse them, as Kedlav/Trey Greyjoy said. In particular, as far as I can remember, Jon wonders what happened to the middle(?) daughter, since she should be the heir and she should be the one writing snippy letters to Stannis. He wonders why it is the 10-year old and not the older daughter. Has she died? (I loved this bit...that a 10-year old Mormont girl is telling Stannis to piss off...awesome).<br /><br />That's all I can remember. I hope the other Marcon attendees will review this and make sure I remembered correctly and didn't make things up <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />another report, from Black Beard of the Salt Sea:<br /><br />Sorry if this is kind of jumbled, but I'm typing from memory the reading from MARCON in Columbus on 5/27/06. This is the first Jon chapter in ADWD, and has been re-written several times since it was last read (according to GRRM). It takes place very soon after the last Jon chapter in ASOS. If it's too much info or something, mods please feel free to edit. I didn't take notes so this is all from memory.<br /><br />The chapter starts with Jon having wolf dreams about Ghost. Ghost is rememerbing his pack brothers and sisters. He knows that Summer is on the other side of the Wall. He also knows that Grey Wind was killed. <br /><br />Jon wakes up thinking that the wolf dreams are getting worse. He scolds himself to remember that he is a man and will not be a wolf. Dolorous Edd comes in to ask him what he would like for breakfast as Jon is scolding the Old Bear's raven. The raven answers, "Corn, Corn Corn", and Jon says "Roasted raven". (Many laughs by the audience at this).<br /><br />Jon tells Dolorous Edd that he won't have time for breakfast because he needs to talk to Stannis. Jon toys with a piece of parchment that would make him Lord Stark of Winterfell. Jon goes through the training yard on his way to see Stannis. A knight called Gadre (sp?) asks Jon to go a round with him. We learn that Gadre slayed a giant in the battle under the Wall. Jon tells him he fears he has other matters to attend to and the knight taunts him by saying "Yes, you fear". Jon ignores him and continues on to Stannis.<br /><br />Jon passes Sam on his way to see Stannis. Sam is relaying a message for Stannis. Sam tells Jon he's not supposed to tell anyone what it says. Jon says he shouldn't tell then and continues on. <br /><br />Jon and Stannis have a long conversation: Stannis mentions that Jon has refused his offer to become Lord Stark, and warns him that Winterfell will go to the Lannisters through Sansa (of course we know Jon has refused, but he still has the paper that would make it happen). Stannis then talks about the northern lords that have refused to acknowledge him as their rightful king. Only the Karstarks have agreed to join Stannis. Jon thinks this is because they have nowhere else to turn since Robb killed Lord Rickard and they slew Lannisters. Jon warns Stannis not to push the northern lords since they are just trying to protect their smallfolk from more bloodshed. <br /><br />Stannis then tries to get Jon to give him the unmanned castles along the Wall for his own lords and knights as rewards for fighting Mance. Jon refuses and says that he has given them clothes, food and shelter. Stannis counters that the entire force at Castle Black would have been slain if he hadn't arrived. Jon tells Stannis he knew that he was going to ask for the castles. Stannis asks him how, and Jon thinks because Stannis's knights were boasting about it. Jon tells him he heard it from Gilly. Stannis says that maybe he should get rid of Gilly's tongue since he only needs her teats, not her talk. Jon says that he is planning on sending her away anyway, and Stannis questions this since Mance's son still needs the milk. Jon explains that Gilly's son is too greedy and Mance's son isn't getting much anyway because of this. He also mentions that Gilly's son is Craster's son and that Craster was greedy. Stannis gets confused about Gilly's son being Craster'<br />s. Jon explains that Craster married his daughters and got children on them. Stannis tells him to go ahead and send Gilly away since he doesn't need those kinds of abominations around. He remarks, "This isn't King's Landing after all" (More laughter from the audience at this.) <br /><br />Jon still resists giving Stannis the castles. He tells Stannis that he will man the castles again. He requests that Stannis give him men to do so. Stannis says that his men won't take the black. Jon says they can just take commands from his appointed officers and help. Stannis says that they won't take orders from murderers, poachers, and thieves. Stannis threatens to take Jon's head and see if the new Lord Commander will be more willing to give him what he wants. Jon said that he thought Stannis wanted the truth and mentions the Onion Knight. Stannis says that he took Davis's fingers for being a smuggler. He says he would rather Jon tell him goods news than the truth (but we can tell that that's not what Stannis really wants). <br /><br />They start talking about Mance's son and Dalla. Stannis is convinced that by holding them, the wildlings will do what he wants. Jon explains that wildlings do not consider the sons of kings as kings, only men strong enough to get them to follow. Stannis tells Jon he doesn't know what he's talking about. Jon thinks of Ygritte saying "You know nothing, Jon Snow." He thinks "Not then, but I learned". He doesn't respond to this comment by Stannis out loud. Stannis was hoping to give Rattleshirt and the Magnar a couple of the Wall's castles. Eventually Stannis gets mad enough to tell Jon to get out. Melisandre asks him if she can escort Jon back to his quarters. Stannis says that Jon knows the way, but she can do what she likes.<br /><br />Mel tells Jon that she thinks Stannis is starting to like him, and he replies, "Yes. He only threatened to have my head twice". Mel tells him that he shouldn't worry about Stannis talking to him about that. It's a silent Stannis he should worry about. She asks him not to be harsh with her since she is trying to be his friend. She tells him he has other enemies she's seen in the flames. He tells her he knows his enemies. She says that it's not the ones he knows. It's the ones he counts as friends that he should worry about. Jon doesn't want to know who she is talking about. He starts asking her why she can't see more useful things in the flames. She tells him that she has seen him cold and surrounded by enemies on all sides in the snow. He says he knows what it's like to be cold, and she says "You know nothing Jon Snow".<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />WorldCon 2006 reading of Jon 1 Aug. 25th.<br /><br />George started out by saying, “I’m going to read a chapter … from the Great Gatsby.” Everyone laughed. Then he went into how he had read half the book at conventions before AFFC came out so he was only going to read old chapters atm. <br /><br />Here is my very summarized summary of Jon 1<br /><br />It starts off with a wolf dream. Ghost is running through the night. He thinks of his packmates spread across the land. His black brother is killing a goat (interesting for those that think Rickon is with Howland Reed), Nymeria is howling with a bunch of her cousins in warmer weather. And one is lost and gone (Summer). The moon is talking to him (I forgot the word). Jon wakes up and it is day though in the wolf dreams it is always night. Mormont’s raven lands on Jon’s chest and says that word I forgot a few times. Jon gets a little irritated with the bird. Dolorous Edd comes in and makes a joke about breakfast that I can’t recall. Something to do with prunes. <br /><br />Stannis’s men have been sleeping with the wildling women, both king’s men and queen’s men and even a few black brothers. It is not known where Tormund is but Jon thinks he will lead a force against the Wall again. Jon starts thinking of burning dead babies and how they have done it. Then burning live babies and how Melisandre wants to do it. Aemon mentioned to Jon that there is power in a king’s blood. Stannis wants to burn Mance and Mance’s son, the son last so he will be a king. <br /><br />Jon thinks that Bran and Rickon are dead but that their direwolves must have survived. Did some part of his brothers live on in the direwolves? It was a disturbing thought. <br /><br />Jon is now living in Donal Noye’s modest rooms behind the armory. Noye did not leave much stuff; he mainly loved his work. <br /><br />Stannis has been riding around the area around the Wall, going to Mole’s Town and down into the Gift. Some stuff we knew before like Iron Emmett being the Master-at-arms. King’s Men are in one corner and queen’s men in another. Ser Godric Giant Slayer challenges Jon. Apparently he killed a giant in the battle at the Wall. Jon says, “I fear I must speak to King Stannis” or something like that and Godric makes fun of him for saying “fear.”<br /><br />Jon runs into Sam who has a letter for Aemon. It is from House Crowl (I think) and probably another refusal for Stannis. When Jon asks Sam how his archery is going, Sam says he found a good book on archery. <br /><br />Jon walks into Stannis’ solar and thinks Ygritte was touched by fire but Melisandre was fire and her hair was blood and flame. Stannis is seated behind a table. There is the description (very detailed but we already had it so I took a break). Leara Mormont, ten years old, wrote a letter responding to Stannis saying she only recognizes the King in the North and that is a Stark. At this point, Jon thinks of what Leara would think of Jon, King in the North, with the last name Stark. It is puzzling why Leara wrote the letter because there are older Mormonts who could have written it. <br /><br />The Karstarks are with Stannis but the Karstarks had no choice. They were rebels to the Iron Throne and betrayed the King in the North. <br /><br />Some stuff I missed then Melisandre asks where the other kings were when the wildlings attacked the Wall? Jon says they were elsewhere then gives an explanation of why the north won’t fight for him. <br /><br />Stannis says he needs gold. Jon suggests the Manderlys for that; they are the richest of the Stark bannermen. Melisandre suggests a wildling wife for Wyman. Jon thinks he is too old and fat and has grandchildren. If Val doesn’t like him, she will slit his throat in the night. <br /><br />Mance has been talking to Stannis. Stannis likes him and respects him but says the man is an oathbreaker to the NW. He cannot let him live or else others will desert. <br /><br />Stannis asks if Jon will sign the grant. Stannis wants to garrison all the Wall castles. Not only that, Stannis wants to actually give away the castles to his lords and knights, even including Rattleshirt. <br /><br />The topic of Gilly and the babe comes up. Jon thinks he has to tread carefully. He says he has decided to send away Gilly’s babe as he is weak. Gilly will go with him and Jon will find a wetnurse for Mance’s babe. <br /><br />Jon says he has given a lot of things to Stannis. Stannis replies that Jon has denied him the castles. Jon responds they were built to defend the Wall. <br /><br />Winterfell comes up and Jon thinks it says it belongs to Sansa. Stannis asks if Jon is so ready to give up Winterfell to Tyrion Lannister. Arnell Karstark, Rickard Karstark’s uncle, has been granted Winterfell by Stannis. <br /><br />It gets tense and Stannis draws Lightbringer. Jon lays out his proposal. The castles must be garrisoned by the Watch. Stannis says Jon doesn’t have the men. Jon replies, “give me the men.” Stannis scoffs that they won’t take the black. Jon says as long as they obey orders from us it will be fine. <br /><br />A really cool interchange comes up with Jon ending it by saying, “I have a name – Snow.” Unfortunately I forgot the first part and didn’t write it down. Maybe somebody else remembers. <br /><br />Alliser Thorne has been complaining about the manner of the choosing. Apparently, it’s that Sam, Jon’s friend, counted the ballots for Maester Aemon. <br /><br />Stannis says Jon can keep the castles but if any actually fall he will kill Jon and find a new Lord Commander. <br /><br />Melisandre and Jon walk out together. Melisandre says, “His Grace is growing fond of you”, which garnered quite a few laughs. She says Jon may be right about the wildling king. Mel has seen Jon’s face in the flames. She sees him all the time in fact. She speaks to kings long dead in the flames. Jon wants to know when the next attack will come. Melisandre says he has so many enemies. Jon should be afraid of daggers in the dark and naked steel. <br /><br />As Ran said, she said we stood on the “hinge of the world.” Finally, Jon says he knows … something and Melisandre responds, “You know nothing, Jon Snow."<br /> 忍住了没看 没忍住，可惜看不懂，555555555 5卷是否在美利坚出版？？？？ 作为一个美国人，马丁没道理不在自己祖国出版自己的作品吧。另外，到目前为止，也没有听说《冰火》被任何国家或地区政府列为禁书。<br /><br />PS 因为很确信马丁不会一下子就把琼恩杀了，所以根本没兴趣看。 现在最想看的是布兰的章节 <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" /> <br /><br />子夜大人这么讨厌琼恩啊？ <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unsure.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":unsure:" border="0" alt="unsure.gif" />页:
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