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Fallenone 发表于 2006-8-17 21:36

一个疑惑,关于鲁温

鲁温的项链中是有代表着魔法的瓦雷利亚钢的。这代表着什么?银片代表他会治病、杀人;黑铁代表他会管理渡鸦。瓦雷利亚钢代表着什么?鲁温的年纪好像没有大到经历过龙祸之前的时代,也就是说他的一生都在一个魔法力量微弱到几乎没有的时代,那么,他对于魔法领域的掌握代表着什么?仅仅就是一些几近散佚的知识么?他为什么不把一些关于魔法的知识传授给布兰?

山姆.菜鸟 发表于 2006-8-18 15:58

感觉鲁温不简单哦.<br />受了那么重的伤,居然还能爬到神木林.<br />会不会懂一点回复术?

努塔瑞 发表于 2006-8-18 17:40

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->根据秩序守卫出的规则书:<br />Higher Mysteries: The Maester has studied the history and philosophy of magic, or “the higher mysteries” as it is know in the Citadel. A Maester may make a special knowledge check with a bonus equal to his Maester Level + Intelligence Modifi er to see whether he knows<br />relevant information about legends, mysteries, artefacts, or strange creatures. If the Maester has 5 or more Ranks in an Knowledge: Arcane, he gains a +2 bonus on this check.<br />A Maester may not Take 10 or 20 on this check; this sort of knowledge is essentially random. See Table 6-11: Higher Mysteries Checks.<br /><br />高等魔法知识<br />学士在学城中学习过关于魔法技术或者“高等魔法”的历史和传说,学士可以做一个特殊知识检定来确认自己能否想起关于传说,魔法,神器,以及怪异生物的相关知识,该知识检定的结果为可以加上学士等级和智力调整值,如果学士在知识(神秘)上有5级或更高,他在本此检定中获得+2加值。学士不可在此次知识检定中取10或20因为这不是一般的知识检定。<br /><br />------------------------------------------------------------------<br />DC 知识种类<br />15 普通知识:有少部分人知道的,例如市民的酒后故事或者老奶妈的床边故事。<br />20 非普通知识:只有少量人知道的,例如关于龙和瓦雷利亚钢的知识。<br />25 秘密知识:仅仅只有少数人知道,并且很难发掘的,例如森林之子的巨人的历史。<br />30 极其秘密知识:至今只有寥寥几人知道,例如瓦雷利亚和异鬼的秘密。<br />------------------------------------------------------------------<br /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--><br />于是只是知道些魔法的秘密和历史,根本不是会施法

Fallenone 发表于 2006-8-18 23:36

敢情就是多了个loremaster的职业等级啊……<br /><br /><!--coloro:#FFCC33--><span style="color:#FFCC33"><!--/coloro-->那伊蒙学士是否也有这个,长城上他准确的判断出史坦尼斯的光明使者是假的。<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->

白色solari 发表于 2006-8-19 01:42

<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> &nbsp; Luwin slid a finger up under his collar and began to turn it, inch by inch. He had a thick neck for a small man, and the chain was tight, but a few pulls had it all the way around. “This is Valyrian steel,” he said when the link of dark grey metal lay against the apple of his throat. “Only one maester in a hundred wears such a link. This signifies that I have studied what the Citadel calls the higher mysteries—magic, for want of a better word. A fascinating pursuit, but of small use, which is why so few maesters trouble themselves with it.<br /> &nbsp; “All those who study the higher mysteries try their own hand at spells, soon or late. I yielded to the temptation too, I must confess it. Well, I was a boy, and what boy does not secretly wish to find hidden powers in himself? I got no more for my efforts than a thousand boys before me, and a thousand since. Sad to say, magic does not work.”<br /> &nbsp; “Sometimes it does,” Bran protested. “I had that dream, and Rickon did too. And there are mages and warlocks in the east . . .”<br /> &nbsp; “There are men who call themselves mages and warlocks,” Maester Luwin said. “I had a friend at the Citadel who could pull a rose out of your ear, but he was no more magical than I was. Oh, to be sure, there is much we do not understand. The years pass in their hundreds and their thousands, and what does any man see of life but a few summers, a few winters? We look at mountains and call them eternal, and so they seem . . . but in the course of time, mountains rise and fall, rivers change their courses, stars fall from the sky, and great cities sink beneath the sea. Even gods die, we think. Everything changes.<br /> &nbsp; “Perhaps magic was once a mighty force in the world, but no longer. What little remains is no more than the wisp of smoke that lingers in the air after a great fire has burned out, and even that is fading. Valyria was the last ember, and Valyria is gone. The dragons are no more, the giants are dead, the children of the forest forgotten with all their lore.<br /> &nbsp; “No, my prince. Jojen Reed may have had a dream or two that he believes came true, but he does not have the greensight. No living man has that power.”<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Fallenone 发表于 2006-8-19 14:14

鲁温年轻的时候尝试过施法,失败。龙回来之后没尝试,所以不一定?

黑色Solari 发表于 2006-8-19 19:38

总感觉鲁温是那种越学越傻的典型,拘泥于学过的知识而没有想象力,总是倚老卖老。

雪诺 发表于 2006-8-19 19:46

可能是当时的大环境使然吧,如果笃信魔法那就可能会被归为术士一类的吧(让他去造燃烧蛋,不过那个好象是化学……寒自己一个),而学城中魔法在龙离开后的失传也有很大作用。个人觉得瓦雷利亚钢代表奥术学识吧,就好比你认识或熟悉这个招式但不一定会用。学士这个职业好比战国时代的阴阳师,职业本质产生了变化,好象学士是总管,阴阳师是军师,都不干本职工作了。

peryton 发表于 2006-8-23 18:15

<!--quoteo(post=256663:date=Aug 18 2006, 05&#58;40 PM:name=努塔瑞)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(努塔瑞 @ Aug 18 2006, 05&#58;40 PM) [snapback]256663[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><br />于是只是知道些魔法的秘密和历史,根本不是会施法<br /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--><br /><br />赞同。<br /><br />摘自第二卷上P291,鲁温亲自说的:<br />代表我学到了学城里称为高级神秘术的知识——魔法,……这是个很迷人的东西,却并不实用……<br />……学习高级神秘术的人总忍不住想自行施展魔法。我必须承认,连我自己也抵挡不住那种诱惑……然而我的下场和我之前的一千个小孩相同,和我之后的一千个也一样。非常遗憾,所谓的魔法根本不起作用……<br />

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